He speaks at the Southern Baptist Convention He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. Is this confirmed that he is doing it for free? @ Preacherskid: All the best! Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. I wrote about it in the post. So when I see that Platt is not being paid a salary, I question that, unless hes already covered in this area by his IMB salary and perks. Whats going on? Well, at least they will try and find you now or at least know your name. Then we can see that getting out of line with Bible changes the very character of the church. I think there is a place for leadership at these larger churches. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. To shepherd is literally to feed. Also, the church scattered (during the week) is where much evangelism and service takes place, because they have just been fed on Gods great love. Anyway, the sermon was completely delusional. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. Most pastor positions are salaried. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Oh wow Lydia, now you are getting into the territory that my daughter was discovering when she was at school in Baltimore and dating an SGM man. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. Our LORD has said, Follow me and I will make you fishers of men. Out of the tent of meeting, God will make you. Thats a pretty sweet return for using the name of Jesus in vain for two to three hours, and the people bought his junk by the droves on that proverbial table at the back of the room by the door. For a variety of reasons, I ended up attending a different fellowship but at that time had nothing bad to say about my experience at McLean. And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. The messages were pretty much the same. Stetzerwrote an article for Christianity Today about Platt's new position. One more thing I almost forgot. I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html. Imagine my surprise when I arrived there to find that (a) they had moved way down US Route 7 to (b) an unimaginably large campus complete with coffee shop, gym, etc., you get the picture. It is a sad fact of mega-church psychology that people like to be associated with stars. We exist for one another, too. The Church is there to train us, teach us. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. Preaching is fun. A Proverbial Shortcut To Mushrooms, Perhaps?, I think we should get off the road (1), Lon knows quite clearly that the people of McLean Bible Church dont throw stones, Spy The Gospel Coalition recently postedPastor, Strive to Learn Their Nameswritten byBenjamin Vrbicek. This is odd to me. Keeping that statement in mind, what does he say about Platt's new role at teaching pastor? 13. True enough I thought, but if he really believed the Radical stuff he writes about whats keeping him from pulling up stakes and moving there? Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? Here are the top six lies David Platt told to McLean Bible Church to mischaracterize conservative dissidents working to save the church from the Woke Social Justice heresy. David Platt lied and claimed McLean Bible Church is not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. However, all the evidence says otherwise. As I think its all going NGO working with the UN and Feds for some of the billions out there. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. Its kind of like I got a new boss one time who made a point to tell the organization that he did NOT have an open door policy. All due respect, Okrapod, these arent scriptural requirements for an elder. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? I think the answer lies in two seemingly unrelated things sometime ~1997 when 9Marks took off and when SGM became Reformed. C.J. Far too many people are looking for a celebrity so they can say "We go to David Platt's church." Not only, but Sunday morning worship service public proclamation is the churchs most visible act. only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. Mahaney was never a Calvinist, much the same as these New Calvinists arent either. Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. I want to know when did my husband or me get a vacation from life. Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. MBC initially became a cooperating church in 2016 when it became the hub for the North American Mission Boards church-planting efforts in the Washington, D.C., area. This is interesting. Its kind of what was talked of in wanting a place to be well run. Will David visit me in the hospital if I am ill? Earlier this year,Plattwent to McLean Bible Church as in interim pastor. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) Birds of a feather stick together, I guess that is why Platt has no problem appearing on the conference circuit with C.J. Why if Aunt Tilly is sick we think the head shamans prayers are needed more than our next door neighbor sister or brother in Christs prayers? Yeah, church life wont keep theologians in check. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. In oterh words, find a real church.. Well just have to agree to disagree. He left a very happy, happy manno persecution there! It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. I point all this out and this is just one mans opinion to say that it seems McLean Bible Church sort of lost its way long before all this David Platt stuff came up. Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. Never did. Wasnt there some problem or other with Elis sons, taking the best parts of the sacrifices for themselves? I still want to know the story of the 1,000 SBC missionaries that were called home. ++++++++++++++++++++. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. My wife and I are part of McLean Bible Church and we were thrilled that David approached us and volunteered his time to bring us Gods Word. @ Sopwith: The salary thing is often a deflection. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. Sadly yes the FIEC has become the beachhead for T4G/TGC and the 9Marxist groups. Wow, I really hope he does not return to full time pastoring. Boy did that make some pastors extremely mad. How in the world can they ever learn the names of their people. Including Dallas Megas who delivered the vote in 2016. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. Thanks! It sounds like the sort of cock-and-bull answer one often gets from a churchy type of person who isnt a Jesus type of person. @ Gram3: My guess is that they are going to start monkeying around with what is being taught. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? @ Law Prof: And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. Today isnt news to Him. Im afraid for our church. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. My problem with some of what is being said here is that the bible never says that it is a procedure manual for how to do church for cross-cultural purposes or for perpetuity or for that matter even in the first century. but then disillusioning applies to so many issues relating to this silly religion of mine. These pastors (without quotation marks) dont double-dip or moonlight as motivational speakers and writers, or publicise themselves, or invest their time in furthering their careers by making their (quotes) churches (more quotes) into conference centres at which they can speak. Real people need real pastors who walk with them through real life like Jesus did, not an image projected on a screen that is scripted and is not real. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! With my diverticulitis (AKA left-handed appendicitis because the symptoms tend to mirror-image each other), I got into ER a few hours after it popped (equivalent to a burst appendix), but before the peritonitis had a chance to really take hold. He thought it might help me to understand what good seminaries teach about being a pastor. ishy wrote: Being hired to spend your week writing sermons and you lie about it and let someone else write them. While checking that one for accuracy, I came across this one too: Id like to die like my old dad, peacefully in his sleep. Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. The building which was on the tax rolls is now removed causing a decrease in the tax base and higher taxes for others. Anointed proclamation shows that God speaks when all the idols of our culture are deaf and dumb. But have you ever noticed the way he kind of empasizes the c sound. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. injury or illness that affects your vocal cords. He is the author of the New Yo Or to paraphrase Dilbert: Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. Remember that the word Pastor derives from the Latin for Shepherd, if these pastors were employed as actual shepherds they would be lucky to have any sheep left after a week, they would either wonder away, be eaten by wolves, would starve to death or dehydrate, since they seem to believe that they are only supposed to do one job and not deal with the other responsibilities. McLean Bible Church is the church of my childhood (Lon Solomon is a personal family friend) and my husband came to know Christ at MBC. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. In my experience, this is a typical response of FIEC church leaders and it is a cowardly of saying I dont want to know! So sadly I doubt that any of them would care. I think that last bit is important. Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. Mike Wittmer : LZ Granderson, a member of Rob Bells church and a regular contributor to CNN and ESPN, wrote a column today for CNN.com which illustrates the problem that I try to correct in the first two chapters of We have been attending MBC for 4 years. Also surprised MBC would go for this. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. So we rarely, if ever, get to hear about them. Does not. I have not seen any statistics about what percentage of whom want what, but I too have seen behind the curtain, but it is the curtain not of some organization but rather the curtain behind which lurk the professionally religious, and I want none of the like messing with my life/ family/ ideas or whatever. For what its worth, my spouse and I are part of a home fellowship. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. Maybe it comes from living through two church blow-ups, and narrowly avoiding another, but I am nervous when a church is seen as the focal point of anyones spiritual life. Id be very interested. All believers have access to Jesus, scripture, and the power of the Holy Spirit. Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. My husband and I attended the Sunday school class in one church but attended services in another. Kin Platt was the mad genius of young adult books and probably the most controversial writer for this audience in the 1970's. (2) The born-again experience: i.e. Call him a speaker, not a pastor. Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. But it should be available. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. What I would say is, if they ever find the perfect church network, they shouldnt join it because theyll spoil it. He believed, and I also think, that is was part of its success. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. We could show them how to have a relationship with God by being preoccupied with that, ourselves separated unto Him. He was the celebrity Pastor who would get the young men excited. The Tron, and others (some of which are known to me directly) are looking for the perfect church network. Thats all it is. Warning: Calvins ICR is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but a clever vicious lie smothering the life out of the Christian believer who seeks to embrace this incessant smoldering darkness. But I know I cant do that forever. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are exercised in a corporate setting. Throws a different light on things. I called the church to make the funeral arrangements and notify the pastor. If it is only value-added, the world will view us as self-interested and just another organization of created things bent in upon itself. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. We do exactly what He said not to do, excusing it with the idea we are contextualizing it for today or that today is different than Bible times, and then get our panties in a wad when things go badly. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. We all need to be fed. WebAt the minute 4:40, David Platt said that we [Christians at T4G] in a sinful world have blind spots that we cannot see on our own and I fear that I, that we, dont really want to see them. Then he used the text of Amos, and the idea of the sinful Jews described in that book of the Bible, as a parallel to the audience. Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. All of which probably sounds more dismissive than I mean it to. That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. Every inch of my kitchen counter is covered with stuff. Im not there yet. Anyway, I love that, and I love Ed's voice! As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. See, I grew up in the remoter parts of the domestic oilfields. My guess is theres some bigger strategy going on. He is extremely casual in his attire and can come across *not put together. Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?. Please dont tell me that Lon believes in Calvanismwould break my heart. Yeah, I think I get your point, and I appreciate the response. Platt is clearly NOT a pastor. Lea, But since we were talking about why hire a teaching pastor who is already employed full-time elsewhere for only the purpose of giving sermons, and okrapod asked why cant pastors and staff be diversified. And it did help him escape that radical existence he taught. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. The bread is indicative of the Bread of Life, and the lighted candlestick indicates someones home the presence of the Holy Spirit. It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. i could care less about your career. It was never my preferred choice, though. As does C H Spurgeon, the author of the quote. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. its high time for change. So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ, Law Prof wrote: Sadly, nothing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vnQc59N-w. Has MBC (1) senior pastor Lon Solomon proclaimed the suspension of Jesus gospel, and substituted Calvinism in its place? Pastoral care fits, here. It was always my thought to have one foot in the academy and one foot in the Church; thereby, bringing both together and exposing more people in the Church to the advantages of the academy. The Church gathered to worship is a witness that God indwells His people. I would not list this as something that I need. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: Marketing a need for the bread will create a desire for those who feel that by purchasing the bread, they too will be beautiful, successfully suburban with beautiful spouse and kids under blue skies like the advertising. PS-I am sorry to burst your bubble but the church is often run and controlled by a small group of men. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change.. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Some people got fed up with the church service and would come to the class and not attend church. They are not supposed to be, as they are not supposed to exist. http://anglicanmainstream.org/leaving-the-denomination/. I am sorry the elders feel that David Platt is the next best step for the Mclean body. These pastors do a lot of fund raising in the USA, selling themselves as making a huge impact on the muslim world for the cause of Christ. This is a problem that cuts both ways. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. Parkinsons Law (Wiki article here for any Wartburgers at a loose end with 5 minutes to spare). On the other hand, in the church some members of my family attend, there is the sometimes subtle and sometimes in-your-face message that if you dont attend a church following the 9Marks model on a regular basis (no! I am preparing myself to disciple others. To me, its not mainly about feeding. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. My own mother has preached in the pulpit a time or two, or three. @ dee: Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. It looks like he is staying on. Lay people are the backbone of the church. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. 7). I hear you. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. I visited his church a number of times when my kids were in college in Birmingham. Their incorporation into 501c3 could have serious consequences for them if they are preaching against government legislation (eg. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. I have been watching dexter quite a bit lately and noticed that the character Angel pronounces things oddly sometimes, is it just me? 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